different people voted for the healthcare law for different peoples. different people vote for immigration reform for different reasons but there's still a law that gets the majority. there's a very complicated picture and an interesting one you're painting of religion and the founding fathers. how do we fine what the common ground is that led them to agree on this first amendment on religion? >> guest: i think you look at the debates surrounding it. you look at the virginia debates. you look at what people said. but then those really aren't -- they don't really govern interpretation. the constitution isn't the virginia statute on religious freedom or the massachusetts constitution. the constitution is its own thing. it says very little about religion. what it does say in the first amendment, i think, we have -- as you well know, enormous body of precedent in literature on the preexercise clause and on the establishment clause, but i think that there is good reason to read that part of the constitution, that part of the first amendment in light of the